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The Sustainability Story

The Sustainability Story presented by CFA Institute is an audio interview series of conversations with thought leaders in the world of ESG integration and sustainability. The topics include anything and everything about where finance intersects with environment, governance, sustainability, social, climate change, biodiversity, human capital management, sustainable investing, impact investing, regulations, standards, and more.  Host Matt Orsagh, CFA, CIPM is a senior director of capital markets policy at CFA Institute. His paper, Climate Change Analysis in the Investment Process was named “Best ESG Paper” by Savvy Investor in 2021. In each episode he asks his guests to tell the story of how we got here and where we are going in the journey to financial sustainability. To reach the host email


Nov 3, 2021

We talk with Mark Van Clieaf, Managing Director of Future Zero. We discuss what to expect and what not to expect from COP26/Glasgow. With apologies to Wayne Gretzky, we talk about “where the puck will be” concerning climate and Net Zero Business Models in the coming years.

This includes coming “stress tests” for companies, the $ 43 trillion of carbon risks in their business models, the current mispricing of net zero business model designs and carbon risk, the potential legal jeopardy for companies and corporate directors around climate change, and what a disorderly climate transition looks like (including in the boardroom). The conversation is a long one but filled with great investor and inside the boardroom insights rarely shared.

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